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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approx. 32Kft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40-50Kft. complete IFR alt.) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sights. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.
I am looking for an individual that can help me identify this interesting aircraft, someone that has the proper skills and image processing software.
I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the KAVP VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect East to West heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail, I routinely photograph B-52's, Tankers, and the normal fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.
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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approx. 32Kft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40-50Kft. complete IFR alt.) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sights. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.
I am looking for an individual that can help me identify this interesting aircraft, someone that has the proper skills and image processing software.
I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the KAVP VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect East to West heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail, I routinely photograph B-52's, Tankers, and the normal fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.
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Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
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I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approx. 32Kft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40-50Kft. complete IFR alt.) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sights. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.
I am looking for an individual that can help me identify this interesting aircraft, someone that has the proper skills and image processing software.
I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the KAVP VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect East to West heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail, I routinely photograph B-52's, Tankers, and the normal fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.
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Yesterday afternoon I photographed a Boeing 777-ER flying over my home, according to radar data it was at approx. 32Kft. In the photograph there is another aircraft present, it is much smaller and higher in altitude (40-50Kft. complete IFR alt.) and it is a small aircraft, possibly a drone or military. It did not appear on any flight tracking sights. I usually see military traffic flying in that particular route and heading. I have numerous "raw" images of this particular aircraft.
I am looking for an individual that can help me identify this interesting aircraft, someone that has the proper skills and image processing software.
I originally though it may be an L-39 although that particular aircraft does not have a T tail design and I think that it would struggle at that altitude. The photographs were taken at 1545 EST. over the KAVP VOR.
The aircraft was flying an almost perfect East to West heading usually reserved for military traffic.
One interesting note is that it was not leaving a contrail, I routinely photograph B-52's, Tankers, and the normal fighter aircraft transitioning over my home at or about that altitude and they almost always leave contrails.
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Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
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I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
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I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
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Also note that after enlarging it appears to be a single "inline jet" engine configuration similar to a U-2's fuselage? Thanks Joseph
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I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.
Based on the wing planform with straight training edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly. 
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and I think you can make out a 1-pixel bump behind the wings +1
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Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:
So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.
Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
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I don't think the tail is a T-tail, looks to me a standard tail, but by the angle we're looking into the aircraft, we cannot distinguish the stabilizer from the fin
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It really had a T-tail, my bad
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I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.
Based on the wing planform with straight training edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
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I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.
Based on the wing planform with straight training edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
answered 2 hours ago
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22k13065
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and I think you can make out a 1-pixel bump behind the wings +1
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I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.
Based on the wing planform with straight training edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
answered 2 hours ago
John KJohn K
22k13065
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I'd say it's a corporate jet. Corporate jets normally play between 40-55000 ft, above the bulk of the airline traffic down in the 30s, so this is a perfectly normal sight.
Based on the wing planform with straight training edge and swept leading edge, and what looks like a T tail and ventral fins, I'm going with Lear 45 or a similar Lear variant (Service ceiling 51000 ft). The viewing aspect doesn't look like from directly below so the engines won't stick out very clearly.
answered 2 hours ago
John KJohn K
22k13065
answered 2 hours ago
John KJohn K
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Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:
So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.
Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
answered 36 mins ago
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I don't think the tail is a T-tail, looks to me a standard tail, but by the angle we're looking into the aircraft, we cannot distinguish the stabilizer from the fin
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It really had a T-tail, my bad
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Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:
So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.
Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
answered 36 mins ago
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I don't think the tail is a T-tail, looks to me a standard tail, but by the angle we're looking into the aircraft, we cannot distinguish the stabilizer from the fin
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It really had a T-tail, my bad
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Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:
So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.
Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
answered 36 mins ago
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Using the location you gave, I tracked back aircraft in that area at that time, and found a scenario that fits with your photo:
So, judging by that, the jet in question is actually a Learjet 31, as said by John K.
Here are some blueprints, and the dimensions are similar:
answered 36 mins ago
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I don't think the tail is a T-tail, looks to me a standard tail, but by the angle we're looking into the aircraft, we cannot distinguish the stabilizer from the fin
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It really had a T-tail, my bad
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I don't think the tail is a T-tail, looks to me a standard tail, but by the angle we're looking into the aircraft, we cannot distinguish the stabilizer from the fin
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– LFSS
25 mins ago
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It really had a T-tail, my bad
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I don't think the tail is a T-tail, looks to me a standard tail, but by the angle we're looking into the aircraft, we cannot distinguish the stabilizer from the fin
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– LFSS
25 mins ago
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I don't think the tail is a T-tail, looks to me a standard tail, but by the angle we're looking into the aircraft, we cannot distinguish the stabilizer from the fin
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– LFSS
25 mins ago
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It really had a T-tail, my bad
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It really had a T-tail, my bad
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I asked a co-worker who flew U-2 and he says that to his knowledge all the wings used have a taper on the rear. But he has not flown ALL the variants. Also he points out that there are no visible pods for sensors, which is common with operational flights. Plus the paint schemes on all the U-2 that he has seen as operational are low reflectivity paints, and would not appear as in the photo. How about giving us more data on your photo acquisition details?
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