I met my friend in my first year of college (Computer Science), so I can tell that I know how well he works and how knowledgeable he is.
He's a good friend, we chat occasionally, meet up to have coffee sometimes and he just told me that he was fired from his company. From what he told me, they didn’t give him that much work and accused him of bad performance, coincidence or not he didn’t like what he was doing and the company itself. He also told me that he didn’t get along with any of his co-workers and missed every single event that the company had organised, for instance the very own kick-off, team building, and more, simply because he didn’t want to go. I think that those events are very important to make a presence and people to know you.
Since he is now sending several CV he told me, a couple of times, that if he's desperate he is counting on me to send his CV to my current company, although I don’t really want to do it. I know he is not very good, from a technical POV, and has some issues getting along with new people. I don’t want to be a terrible friend, but I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
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I met my friend in my first year of college (Computer Science), so I can tell that I know how well he works and how knowledgeable he is.
He's a good friend, we chat occasionally, meet up to have coffee sometimes and he just told me that he was fired from his company. From what he told me, they didn’t give him that much work and accused him of bad performance, coincidence or not he didn’t like what he was doing and the company itself. He also told me that he didn’t get along with any of his co-workers and missed every single event that the company had organised, for instance the very own kick-off, team building, and more, simply because he didn’t want to go. I think that those events are very important to make a presence and people to know you.
Since he is now sending several CV he told me, a couple of times, that if he's desperate he is counting on me to send his CV to my current company, although I don’t really want to do it. I know he is not very good, from a technical POV, and has some issues getting along with new people. I don’t want to be a terrible friend, but I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
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Do your company have any current openings? Can you refer him to the public portal, if your company have one?
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
Is that your real name? Does he browse this stackexchange?
– ChatterOne
1 hour ago
1
@SouravGhosh, yes we have a website that you can apply to the open offers.
– Bino
1 hour ago
@ChatterOne, i don't know but i changed just in case. Thank you
– Bino
1 hour ago
@Bino Very well, I have added an answer based on your comment. You mind to edit the question and add this info about availability of a public site for job applicant a part of the question itself?
– Sourav Ghosh
1 hour ago
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I met my friend in my first year of college (Computer Science), so I can tell that I know how well he works and how knowledgeable he is.
He's a good friend, we chat occasionally, meet up to have coffee sometimes and he just told me that he was fired from his company. From what he told me, they didn’t give him that much work and accused him of bad performance, coincidence or not he didn’t like what he was doing and the company itself. He also told me that he didn’t get along with any of his co-workers and missed every single event that the company had organised, for instance the very own kick-off, team building, and more, simply because he didn’t want to go. I think that those events are very important to make a presence and people to know you.
Since he is now sending several CV he told me, a couple of times, that if he's desperate he is counting on me to send his CV to my current company, although I don’t really want to do it. I know he is not very good, from a technical POV, and has some issues getting along with new people. I don’t want to be a terrible friend, but I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
resume relationships employees recommendation-letter referral
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I met my friend in my first year of college (Computer Science), so I can tell that I know how well he works and how knowledgeable he is.
He's a good friend, we chat occasionally, meet up to have coffee sometimes and he just told me that he was fired from his company. From what he told me, they didn’t give him that much work and accused him of bad performance, coincidence or not he didn’t like what he was doing and the company itself. He also told me that he didn’t get along with any of his co-workers and missed every single event that the company had organised, for instance the very own kick-off, team building, and more, simply because he didn’t want to go. I think that those events are very important to make a presence and people to know you.
Since he is now sending several CV he told me, a couple of times, that if he's desperate he is counting on me to send his CV to my current company, although I don’t really want to do it. I know he is not very good, from a technical POV, and has some issues getting along with new people. I don’t want to be a terrible friend, but I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
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Do your company have any current openings? Can you refer him to the public portal, if your company have one?
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
Is that your real name? Does he browse this stackexchange?
– ChatterOne
1 hour ago
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@SouravGhosh, yes we have a website that you can apply to the open offers.
– Bino
1 hour ago
@ChatterOne, i don't know but i changed just in case. Thank you
– Bino
1 hour ago
@Bino Very well, I have added an answer based on your comment. You mind to edit the question and add this info about availability of a public site for job applicant a part of the question itself?
– Sourav Ghosh
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2
Do your company have any current openings? Can you refer him to the public portal, if your company have one?
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
Is that your real name? Does he browse this stackexchange?
– ChatterOne
1 hour ago
1
@SouravGhosh, yes we have a website that you can apply to the open offers.
– Bino
1 hour ago
@ChatterOne, i don't know but i changed just in case. Thank you
– Bino
1 hour ago
@Bino Very well, I have added an answer based on your comment. You mind to edit the question and add this info about availability of a public site for job applicant a part of the question itself?
– Sourav Ghosh
1 hour ago
2
2
Do your company have any current openings? Can you refer him to the public portal, if your company have one?
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
Do your company have any current openings? Can you refer him to the public portal, if your company have one?
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
1
Is that your real name? Does he browse this stackexchange?
– ChatterOne
1 hour ago
Is that your real name? Does he browse this stackexchange?
– ChatterOne
1 hour ago
1
1
@SouravGhosh, yes we have a website that you can apply to the open offers.
– Bino
1 hour ago
@SouravGhosh, yes we have a website that you can apply to the open offers.
– Bino
1 hour ago
@ChatterOne, i don't know but i changed just in case. Thank you
– Bino
1 hour ago
@ChatterOne, i don't know but i changed just in case. Thank you
– Bino
1 hour ago
@Bino Very well, I have added an answer based on your comment. You mind to edit the question and add this info about availability of a public site for job applicant a part of the question itself?
– Sourav Ghosh
1 hour ago
@Bino Very well, I have added an answer based on your comment. You mind to edit the question and add this info about availability of a public site for job applicant a part of the question itself?
– Sourav Ghosh
1 hour ago
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I have been in that situation, and not only once, it is definitely an ugly decision to make.
I decided to be open with my friend, and tell him that I don't feel like recommending him as I would only recommend people that I consider to be above average, and sorry, he isn't in my eyes.
It is not necessary to word it that he is generally not above average (even if you think so), you can say 'for the specific role/position this is about'. Also, if the role/position is quite different from your own (or yet unspecific), you have the option to say you wouldn't recommend anyone for that role/position, because you are not qualified to evaluate people for such roles/positions, and the hiring manager would see your recommendation as just that - a friend recommending a friend, without real conviction of his qualities.
In addition, it is ok to forward a resume to the hiring manager 'for info' with the note that you cannot evaluate the person. If you word it right, it doesn't come over as negative recommendation either - just that you don't know how good he is.
answered 2 hours ago
AganjuAganju
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I agree with this answer. This will allow the decision to hire the applicant entirely on the qualifications of the candidate.
– Ramhound
1 hour ago
Nice answer! Thank you for your comment.
– Bino
1 hour ago
It's stone cold to tell a friend he's not good enough. Even your judgement is accurate, it would only serve to bring his self esteem down. It's perfectly fine to forward a CV to the recruiter without putting you in a bad spot. You just have to set expectations that your friend might not be selected
– Luffydude
10 mins ago
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I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
If he gets the job, it won't be down to your recommendation. Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc.. If he makes it through all of these it is likely due to the hiring manager seeing something that you clearly do not. They cannot blame you when they hire someone you recommended.
That's like saying this guy is great he deserves the £60k+ p/y job and that person gets the job, that isn't how it works.
That being said:
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
Just tell him that your company does not do recommendations and you have to apply to roles as they are posted. This way you ensure he goes through the entire process or hiring and he can't really have an argument to it because it's just the way the company does it.
answered 2 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
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And it's always a good point to emphasize the difference between a recommendation and a referral. A recommendation means that you think this person is qualified and a good fit for the job. A referral just means that you are passing on their application/resume, but you admit you can't speak to their ability or not.
– David K
2 hours ago
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Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc Depends on the company. At my old company, word of mouth was seen as good enough for some positions, developer would have been one of them. I agree thats generally how it should work, but doesn't always.
– Magisch
1 hour ago
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@Magisch, in my current company we have that scenario. Word of mouth is very strong, and you don't need to the tests. Thanks for the comment Twyxz!
– Bino
1 hour ago
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As you clarified in the comment, your company has a public portal for job applications.
Mention to your friend:
We have this job portal and we're encouraged to inform any potential employee to check for the openings and apply online. This way, the process is smoother and unbiased. I'll send you the link, please let me know if you need any help / clarification in accessing that website.
This way, it's a win-win,
- You don't need to associate yourself with the application or the recruitment process, so whatever happens with the applicant (hired or not), will not be referred back to you.
- You will have your friend also happy.
Think it in this way: Whether you like it or not, your friend can still apply and get a job in your organization from using the very same portal. in this scenario, you're the one only "providing" him/her with the info (which he/she could have anyways found if they checked the company website, maybe), so you're still in the "good-book".
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As hard as it sounds but generally I recommend you to separate friendship with business.
If it is a very good friend you can help him to get a connection to your company, but you can tell your manager or the recruiter that a friend wanted you to give them his CV.
Whether he wants to or not he has to complete a job interview which he can not skip just because you are friends.
If they are satisfied with him and need someone they will offer him a job, otherwise they won't. Just that easy.
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"Friend wants my recommendation but I don't want to"
"How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?"
I would help your friend do some introspection, in a way that protects you and helps him take inventory of what he offers:
"Dear Enrique Iglesias, of course I am happy to help you. My company is very strict when hiring new developers, even more when they come from internal channels. The best way to make sure you make an impression is to carefully match your past work and achievements for the specific position you are looking for.
Go on our website, find the role you are interested in and then write a few examples of past achievements in those areas.
Another big requirement is teamwork: it's important for all developers to be social and involved, it's a bit of an unwritten rule. In your CV and cover letter you will also need to make examples of how you interacted with your colleague, especially beyond what was required for your main tasks.
Once we have this, I'll be happy to forward it to the hiring manager of the position you are interested in. Anything less than this won't work".
This will help your friend and protect you. All the selling is done by what he writes. Maybe just mention the hiring manager that your friend is very enthusiastic and will discuss in detail what he achieved, and how.
If he still gets hired, it means that he's either qualified, or good enough to pass the dysfunctions of the selection process.
answered 36 mins ago
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reading the question it's not clear to me if the request is about a reccomendation letter or a simple CV delivery.
if the latter, that's something not unusual that hiring managers are aware of.
you can take the CV saying something like:
hi hiring manager, here is another CV. please don't take this as an endorsement, it's just a friend that asked me to take the CV.
this happened to me a couple of times; not sure if can be relevant but the context is western europe
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Could you just tell him you don't do recommendations in general? It's not a personal thing as it applies to everyone.
It might be a white lie if you do in fact do recommendations but you won't damage your rep with the company because you haven't recommended him and also you won't damage your rep with him because you haven't made it personal.
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I have been in that situation, and not only once, it is definitely an ugly decision to make.
I decided to be open with my friend, and tell him that I don't feel like recommending him as I would only recommend people that I consider to be above average, and sorry, he isn't in my eyes.
It is not necessary to word it that he is generally not above average (even if you think so), you can say 'for the specific role/position this is about'. Also, if the role/position is quite different from your own (or yet unspecific), you have the option to say you wouldn't recommend anyone for that role/position, because you are not qualified to evaluate people for such roles/positions, and the hiring manager would see your recommendation as just that - a friend recommending a friend, without real conviction of his qualities.
In addition, it is ok to forward a resume to the hiring manager 'for info' with the note that you cannot evaluate the person. If you word it right, it doesn't come over as negative recommendation either - just that you don't know how good he is.
answered 2 hours ago
AganjuAganju
1,333310
I agree with this answer. This will allow the decision to hire the applicant entirely on the qualifications of the candidate.
– Ramhound
1 hour ago
Nice answer! Thank you for your comment.
– Bino
1 hour ago
It's stone cold to tell a friend he's not good enough. Even your judgement is accurate, it would only serve to bring his self esteem down. It's perfectly fine to forward a CV to the recruiter without putting you in a bad spot. You just have to set expectations that your friend might not be selected
– Luffydude
10 mins ago
add a comment |
I have been in that situation, and not only once, it is definitely an ugly decision to make.
I decided to be open with my friend, and tell him that I don't feel like recommending him as I would only recommend people that I consider to be above average, and sorry, he isn't in my eyes.
It is not necessary to word it that he is generally not above average (even if you think so), you can say 'for the specific role/position this is about'. Also, if the role/position is quite different from your own (or yet unspecific), you have the option to say you wouldn't recommend anyone for that role/position, because you are not qualified to evaluate people for such roles/positions, and the hiring manager would see your recommendation as just that - a friend recommending a friend, without real conviction of his qualities.
In addition, it is ok to forward a resume to the hiring manager 'for info' with the note that you cannot evaluate the person. If you word it right, it doesn't come over as negative recommendation either - just that you don't know how good he is.
answered 2 hours ago
AganjuAganju
1,333310
I agree with this answer. This will allow the decision to hire the applicant entirely on the qualifications of the candidate.
– Ramhound
1 hour ago
Nice answer! Thank you for your comment.
– Bino
1 hour ago
It's stone cold to tell a friend he's not good enough. Even your judgement is accurate, it would only serve to bring his self esteem down. It's perfectly fine to forward a CV to the recruiter without putting you in a bad spot. You just have to set expectations that your friend might not be selected
– Luffydude
10 mins ago
add a comment |
I have been in that situation, and not only once, it is definitely an ugly decision to make.
I decided to be open with my friend, and tell him that I don't feel like recommending him as I would only recommend people that I consider to be above average, and sorry, he isn't in my eyes.
It is not necessary to word it that he is generally not above average (even if you think so), you can say 'for the specific role/position this is about'. Also, if the role/position is quite different from your own (or yet unspecific), you have the option to say you wouldn't recommend anyone for that role/position, because you are not qualified to evaluate people for such roles/positions, and the hiring manager would see your recommendation as just that - a friend recommending a friend, without real conviction of his qualities.
In addition, it is ok to forward a resume to the hiring manager 'for info' with the note that you cannot evaluate the person. If you word it right, it doesn't come over as negative recommendation either - just that you don't know how good he is.
answered 2 hours ago
AganjuAganju
1,333310
I have been in that situation, and not only once, it is definitely an ugly decision to make.
I decided to be open with my friend, and tell him that I don't feel like recommending him as I would only recommend people that I consider to be above average, and sorry, he isn't in my eyes.
It is not necessary to word it that he is generally not above average (even if you think so), you can say 'for the specific role/position this is about'. Also, if the role/position is quite different from your own (or yet unspecific), you have the option to say you wouldn't recommend anyone for that role/position, because you are not qualified to evaluate people for such roles/positions, and the hiring manager would see your recommendation as just that - a friend recommending a friend, without real conviction of his qualities.
In addition, it is ok to forward a resume to the hiring manager 'for info' with the note that you cannot evaluate the person. If you word it right, it doesn't come over as negative recommendation either - just that you don't know how good he is.
answered 2 hours ago
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answered 2 hours ago
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answered 2 hours ago
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answered 2 hours ago
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I agree with this answer. This will allow the decision to hire the applicant entirely on the qualifications of the candidate.
– Ramhound
1 hour ago
Nice answer! Thank you for your comment.
– Bino
1 hour ago
It's stone cold to tell a friend he's not good enough. Even your judgement is accurate, it would only serve to bring his self esteem down. It's perfectly fine to forward a CV to the recruiter without putting you in a bad spot. You just have to set expectations that your friend might not be selected
– Luffydude
10 mins ago
add a comment |
I agree with this answer. This will allow the decision to hire the applicant entirely on the qualifications of the candidate.
– Ramhound
1 hour ago
Nice answer! Thank you for your comment.
– Bino
1 hour ago
It's stone cold to tell a friend he's not good enough. Even your judgement is accurate, it would only serve to bring his self esteem down. It's perfectly fine to forward a CV to the recruiter without putting you in a bad spot. You just have to set expectations that your friend might not be selected
– Luffydude
10 mins ago
I agree with this answer. This will allow the decision to hire the applicant entirely on the qualifications of the candidate.
– Ramhound
1 hour ago
I agree with this answer. This will allow the decision to hire the applicant entirely on the qualifications of the candidate.
– Ramhound
1 hour ago
Nice answer! Thank you for your comment.
– Bino
1 hour ago
Nice answer! Thank you for your comment.
– Bino
1 hour ago
It's stone cold to tell a friend he's not good enough. Even your judgement is accurate, it would only serve to bring his self esteem down. It's perfectly fine to forward a CV to the recruiter without putting you in a bad spot. You just have to set expectations that your friend might not be selected
– Luffydude
10 mins ago
It's stone cold to tell a friend he's not good enough. Even your judgement is accurate, it would only serve to bring his self esteem down. It's perfectly fine to forward a CV to the recruiter without putting you in a bad spot. You just have to set expectations that your friend might not be selected
– Luffydude
10 mins ago
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I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
If he gets the job, it won't be down to your recommendation. Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc.. If he makes it through all of these it is likely due to the hiring manager seeing something that you clearly do not. They cannot blame you when they hire someone you recommended.
That's like saying this guy is great he deserves the £60k+ p/y job and that person gets the job, that isn't how it works.
That being said:
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
Just tell him that your company does not do recommendations and you have to apply to roles as they are posted. This way you ensure he goes through the entire process or hiring and he can't really have an argument to it because it's just the way the company does it.
answered 2 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
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And it's always a good point to emphasize the difference between a recommendation and a referral. A recommendation means that you think this person is qualified and a good fit for the job. A referral just means that you are passing on their application/resume, but you admit you can't speak to their ability or not.
– David K
2 hours ago
2
Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc Depends on the company. At my old company, word of mouth was seen as good enough for some positions, developer would have been one of them. I agree thats generally how it should work, but doesn't always.
– Magisch
1 hour ago
1
@Magisch, in my current company we have that scenario. Word of mouth is very strong, and you don't need to the tests. Thanks for the comment Twyxz!
– Bino
1 hour ago
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I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
If he gets the job, it won't be down to your recommendation. Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc.. If he makes it through all of these it is likely due to the hiring manager seeing something that you clearly do not. They cannot blame you when they hire someone you recommended.
That's like saying this guy is great he deserves the £60k+ p/y job and that person gets the job, that isn't how it works.
That being said:
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
Just tell him that your company does not do recommendations and you have to apply to roles as they are posted. This way you ensure he goes through the entire process or hiring and he can't really have an argument to it because it's just the way the company does it.
answered 2 hours ago
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And it's always a good point to emphasize the difference between a recommendation and a referral. A recommendation means that you think this person is qualified and a good fit for the job. A referral just means that you are passing on their application/resume, but you admit you can't speak to their ability or not.
– David K
2 hours ago
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Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc Depends on the company. At my old company, word of mouth was seen as good enough for some positions, developer would have been one of them. I agree thats generally how it should work, but doesn't always.
– Magisch
1 hour ago
1
@Magisch, in my current company we have that scenario. Word of mouth is very strong, and you don't need to the tests. Thanks for the comment Twyxz!
– Bino
1 hour ago
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I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
If he gets the job, it won't be down to your recommendation. Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc.. If he makes it through all of these it is likely due to the hiring manager seeing something that you clearly do not. They cannot blame you when they hire someone you recommended.
That's like saying this guy is great he deserves the £60k+ p/y job and that person gets the job, that isn't how it works.
That being said:
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
Just tell him that your company does not do recommendations and you have to apply to roles as they are posted. This way you ensure he goes through the entire process or hiring and he can't really have an argument to it because it's just the way the company does it.
answered 2 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
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I don’t want to be responsible if he gets the job in my company and fails as my manager would probably blame me and would likely jeopardise my position here.
If he gets the job, it won't be down to your recommendation. Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc.. If he makes it through all of these it is likely due to the hiring manager seeing something that you clearly do not. They cannot blame you when they hire someone you recommended.
That's like saying this guy is great he deserves the £60k+ p/y job and that person gets the job, that isn't how it works.
That being said:
How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?
Just tell him that your company does not do recommendations and you have to apply to roles as they are posted. This way you ensure he goes through the entire process or hiring and he can't really have an argument to it because it's just the way the company does it.
answered 2 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
13k103979
answered 2 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
13k103979
answered 2 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
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answered 2 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
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And it's always a good point to emphasize the difference between a recommendation and a referral. A recommendation means that you think this person is qualified and a good fit for the job. A referral just means that you are passing on their application/resume, but you admit you can't speak to their ability or not.
– David K
2 hours ago
2
Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc Depends on the company. At my old company, word of mouth was seen as good enough for some positions, developer would have been one of them. I agree thats generally how it should work, but doesn't always.
– Magisch
1 hour ago
1
@Magisch, in my current company we have that scenario. Word of mouth is very strong, and you don't need to the tests. Thanks for the comment Twyxz!
– Bino
1 hour ago
add a comment |
5
And it's always a good point to emphasize the difference between a recommendation and a referral. A recommendation means that you think this person is qualified and a good fit for the job. A referral just means that you are passing on their application/resume, but you admit you can't speak to their ability or not.
– David K
2 hours ago
2
Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc Depends on the company. At my old company, word of mouth was seen as good enough for some positions, developer would have been one of them. I agree thats generally how it should work, but doesn't always.
– Magisch
1 hour ago
1
@Magisch, in my current company we have that scenario. Word of mouth is very strong, and you don't need to the tests. Thanks for the comment Twyxz!
– Bino
1 hour ago
5
5
And it's always a good point to emphasize the difference between a recommendation and a referral. A recommendation means that you think this person is qualified and a good fit for the job. A referral just means that you are passing on their application/resume, but you admit you can't speak to their ability or not.
– David K
2 hours ago
And it's always a good point to emphasize the difference between a recommendation and a referral. A recommendation means that you think this person is qualified and a good fit for the job. A referral just means that you are passing on their application/resume, but you admit you can't speak to their ability or not.
– David K
2 hours ago
2
2
Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc Depends on the company. At my old company, word of mouth was seen as good enough for some positions, developer would have been one of them. I agree thats generally how it should work, but doesn't always.
– Magisch
1 hour ago
Recommended people still have to go through interviewing and tests etc Depends on the company. At my old company, word of mouth was seen as good enough for some positions, developer would have been one of them. I agree thats generally how it should work, but doesn't always.
– Magisch
1 hour ago
1
1
@Magisch, in my current company we have that scenario. Word of mouth is very strong, and you don't need to the tests. Thanks for the comment Twyxz!
– Bino
1 hour ago
@Magisch, in my current company we have that scenario. Word of mouth is very strong, and you don't need to the tests. Thanks for the comment Twyxz!
– Bino
1 hour ago
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As you clarified in the comment, your company has a public portal for job applications.
Mention to your friend:
We have this job portal and we're encouraged to inform any potential employee to check for the openings and apply online. This way, the process is smoother and unbiased. I'll send you the link, please let me know if you need any help / clarification in accessing that website.
This way, it's a win-win,
- You don't need to associate yourself with the application or the recruitment process, so whatever happens with the applicant (hired or not), will not be referred back to you.
- You will have your friend also happy.
Think it in this way: Whether you like it or not, your friend can still apply and get a job in your organization from using the very same portal. in this scenario, you're the one only "providing" him/her with the info (which he/she could have anyways found if they checked the company website, maybe), so you're still in the "good-book".
answered 1 hour ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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As you clarified in the comment, your company has a public portal for job applications.
Mention to your friend:
We have this job portal and we're encouraged to inform any potential employee to check for the openings and apply online. This way, the process is smoother and unbiased. I'll send you the link, please let me know if you need any help / clarification in accessing that website.
This way, it's a win-win,
- You don't need to associate yourself with the application or the recruitment process, so whatever happens with the applicant (hired or not), will not be referred back to you.
- You will have your friend also happy.
Think it in this way: Whether you like it or not, your friend can still apply and get a job in your organization from using the very same portal. in this scenario, you're the one only "providing" him/her with the info (which he/she could have anyways found if they checked the company website, maybe), so you're still in the "good-book".
answered 1 hour ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
5,94632446
add a comment |
As you clarified in the comment, your company has a public portal for job applications.
Mention to your friend:
We have this job portal and we're encouraged to inform any potential employee to check for the openings and apply online. This way, the process is smoother and unbiased. I'll send you the link, please let me know if you need any help / clarification in accessing that website.
This way, it's a win-win,
- You don't need to associate yourself with the application or the recruitment process, so whatever happens with the applicant (hired or not), will not be referred back to you.
- You will have your friend also happy.
Think it in this way: Whether you like it or not, your friend can still apply and get a job in your organization from using the very same portal. in this scenario, you're the one only "providing" him/her with the info (which he/she could have anyways found if they checked the company website, maybe), so you're still in the "good-book".
answered 1 hour ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
5,94632446
As you clarified in the comment, your company has a public portal for job applications.
Mention to your friend:
We have this job portal and we're encouraged to inform any potential employee to check for the openings and apply online. This way, the process is smoother and unbiased. I'll send you the link, please let me know if you need any help / clarification in accessing that website.
This way, it's a win-win,
- You don't need to associate yourself with the application or the recruitment process, so whatever happens with the applicant (hired or not), will not be referred back to you.
- You will have your friend also happy.
Think it in this way: Whether you like it or not, your friend can still apply and get a job in your organization from using the very same portal. in this scenario, you're the one only "providing" him/her with the info (which he/she could have anyways found if they checked the company website, maybe), so you're still in the "good-book".
answered 1 hour ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
5,94632446
answered 1 hour ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
5,94632446
answered 1 hour ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
5,94632446
answered 1 hour ago
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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As hard as it sounds but generally I recommend you to separate friendship with business.
If it is a very good friend you can help him to get a connection to your company, but you can tell your manager or the recruiter that a friend wanted you to give them his CV.
Whether he wants to or not he has to complete a job interview which he can not skip just because you are friends.
If they are satisfied with him and need someone they will offer him a job, otherwise they won't. Just that easy.
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As hard as it sounds but generally I recommend you to separate friendship with business.
If it is a very good friend you can help him to get a connection to your company, but you can tell your manager or the recruiter that a friend wanted you to give them his CV.
Whether he wants to or not he has to complete a job interview which he can not skip just because you are friends.
If they are satisfied with him and need someone they will offer him a job, otherwise they won't. Just that easy.
answered 2 hours ago
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As hard as it sounds but generally I recommend you to separate friendship with business.
If it is a very good friend you can help him to get a connection to your company, but you can tell your manager or the recruiter that a friend wanted you to give them his CV.
Whether he wants to or not he has to complete a job interview which he can not skip just because you are friends.
If they are satisfied with him and need someone they will offer him a job, otherwise they won't. Just that easy.
answered 2 hours ago
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As hard as it sounds but generally I recommend you to separate friendship with business.
If it is a very good friend you can help him to get a connection to your company, but you can tell your manager or the recruiter that a friend wanted you to give them his CV.
Whether he wants to or not he has to complete a job interview which he can not skip just because you are friends.
If they are satisfied with him and need someone they will offer him a job, otherwise they won't. Just that easy.
answered 2 hours ago
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"Friend wants my recommendation but I don't want to"
"How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?"
I would help your friend do some introspection, in a way that protects you and helps him take inventory of what he offers:
"Dear Enrique Iglesias, of course I am happy to help you. My company is very strict when hiring new developers, even more when they come from internal channels. The best way to make sure you make an impression is to carefully match your past work and achievements for the specific position you are looking for.
Go on our website, find the role you are interested in and then write a few examples of past achievements in those areas.
Another big requirement is teamwork: it's important for all developers to be social and involved, it's a bit of an unwritten rule. In your CV and cover letter you will also need to make examples of how you interacted with your colleague, especially beyond what was required for your main tasks.
Once we have this, I'll be happy to forward it to the hiring manager of the position you are interested in. Anything less than this won't work".
This will help your friend and protect you. All the selling is done by what he writes. Maybe just mention the hiring manager that your friend is very enthusiastic and will discuss in detail what he achieved, and how.
If he still gets hired, it means that he's either qualified, or good enough to pass the dysfunctions of the selection process.
answered 36 mins ago
MonoandaleMonoandale
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"Friend wants my recommendation but I don't want to"
"How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?"
I would help your friend do some introspection, in a way that protects you and helps him take inventory of what he offers:
"Dear Enrique Iglesias, of course I am happy to help you. My company is very strict when hiring new developers, even more when they come from internal channels. The best way to make sure you make an impression is to carefully match your past work and achievements for the specific position you are looking for.
Go on our website, find the role you are interested in and then write a few examples of past achievements in those areas.
Another big requirement is teamwork: it's important for all developers to be social and involved, it's a bit of an unwritten rule. In your CV and cover letter you will also need to make examples of how you interacted with your colleague, especially beyond what was required for your main tasks.
Once we have this, I'll be happy to forward it to the hiring manager of the position you are interested in. Anything less than this won't work".
This will help your friend and protect you. All the selling is done by what he writes. Maybe just mention the hiring manager that your friend is very enthusiastic and will discuss in detail what he achieved, and how.
If he still gets hired, it means that he's either qualified, or good enough to pass the dysfunctions of the selection process.
answered 36 mins ago
MonoandaleMonoandale
3,30452257
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"Friend wants my recommendation but I don't want to"
"How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?"
I would help your friend do some introspection, in a way that protects you and helps him take inventory of what he offers:
"Dear Enrique Iglesias, of course I am happy to help you. My company is very strict when hiring new developers, even more when they come from internal channels. The best way to make sure you make an impression is to carefully match your past work and achievements for the specific position you are looking for.
Go on our website, find the role you are interested in and then write a few examples of past achievements in those areas.
Another big requirement is teamwork: it's important for all developers to be social and involved, it's a bit of an unwritten rule. In your CV and cover letter you will also need to make examples of how you interacted with your colleague, especially beyond what was required for your main tasks.
Once we have this, I'll be happy to forward it to the hiring manager of the position you are interested in. Anything less than this won't work".
This will help your friend and protect you. All the selling is done by what he writes. Maybe just mention the hiring manager that your friend is very enthusiastic and will discuss in detail what he achieved, and how.
If he still gets hired, it means that he's either qualified, or good enough to pass the dysfunctions of the selection process.
answered 36 mins ago
MonoandaleMonoandale
3,30452257
"Friend wants my recommendation but I don't want to"
"How should I respond so that I don't hurt my job or my friendship?"
I would help your friend do some introspection, in a way that protects you and helps him take inventory of what he offers:
"Dear Enrique Iglesias, of course I am happy to help you. My company is very strict when hiring new developers, even more when they come from internal channels. The best way to make sure you make an impression is to carefully match your past work and achievements for the specific position you are looking for.
Go on our website, find the role you are interested in and then write a few examples of past achievements in those areas.
Another big requirement is teamwork: it's important for all developers to be social and involved, it's a bit of an unwritten rule. In your CV and cover letter you will also need to make examples of how you interacted with your colleague, especially beyond what was required for your main tasks.
Once we have this, I'll be happy to forward it to the hiring manager of the position you are interested in. Anything less than this won't work".
This will help your friend and protect you. All the selling is done by what he writes. Maybe just mention the hiring manager that your friend is very enthusiastic and will discuss in detail what he achieved, and how.
If he still gets hired, it means that he's either qualified, or good enough to pass the dysfunctions of the selection process.
answered 36 mins ago
MonoandaleMonoandale
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answered 36 mins ago
MonoandaleMonoandale
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answered 36 mins ago
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reading the question it's not clear to me if the request is about a reccomendation letter or a simple CV delivery.
if the latter, that's something not unusual that hiring managers are aware of.
you can take the CV saying something like:
hi hiring manager, here is another CV. please don't take this as an endorsement, it's just a friend that asked me to take the CV.
this happened to me a couple of times; not sure if can be relevant but the context is western europe
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reading the question it's not clear to me if the request is about a reccomendation letter or a simple CV delivery.
if the latter, that's something not unusual that hiring managers are aware of.
you can take the CV saying something like:
hi hiring manager, here is another CV. please don't take this as an endorsement, it's just a friend that asked me to take the CV.
this happened to me a couple of times; not sure if can be relevant but the context is western europe
answered 15 mins ago
PaoloPaolo
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add a comment |
reading the question it's not clear to me if the request is about a reccomendation letter or a simple CV delivery.
if the latter, that's something not unusual that hiring managers are aware of.
you can take the CV saying something like:
hi hiring manager, here is another CV. please don't take this as an endorsement, it's just a friend that asked me to take the CV.
this happened to me a couple of times; not sure if can be relevant but the context is western europe
answered 15 mins ago
PaoloPaolo
1,3201511
reading the question it's not clear to me if the request is about a reccomendation letter or a simple CV delivery.
if the latter, that's something not unusual that hiring managers are aware of.
you can take the CV saying something like:
hi hiring manager, here is another CV. please don't take this as an endorsement, it's just a friend that asked me to take the CV.
this happened to me a couple of times; not sure if can be relevant but the context is western europe
answered 15 mins ago
PaoloPaolo
1,3201511
answered 15 mins ago
PaoloPaolo
1,3201511
answered 15 mins ago
PaoloPaolo
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answered 15 mins ago
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Could you just tell him you don't do recommendations in general? It's not a personal thing as it applies to everyone.
It might be a white lie if you do in fact do recommendations but you won't damage your rep with the company because you haven't recommended him and also you won't damage your rep with him because you haven't made it personal.
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Jamie ButterworthJamie Butterworth
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Could you just tell him you don't do recommendations in general? It's not a personal thing as it applies to everyone.
It might be a white lie if you do in fact do recommendations but you won't damage your rep with the company because you haven't recommended him and also you won't damage your rep with him because you haven't made it personal.
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Could you just tell him you don't do recommendations in general? It's not a personal thing as it applies to everyone.
It might be a white lie if you do in fact do recommendations but you won't damage your rep with the company because you haven't recommended him and also you won't damage your rep with him because you haven't made it personal.
answered 1 min ago
Jamie ButterworthJamie Butterworth
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Could you just tell him you don't do recommendations in general? It's not a personal thing as it applies to everyone.
It might be a white lie if you do in fact do recommendations but you won't damage your rep with the company because you haven't recommended him and also you won't damage your rep with him because you haven't made it personal.
answered 1 min ago
Jamie ButterworthJamie Butterworth
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Jamie ButterworthJamie Butterworth
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Do your company have any current openings? Can you refer him to the public portal, if your company have one?
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
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Is that your real name? Does he browse this stackexchange?
– ChatterOne
1 hour ago
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@SouravGhosh, yes we have a website that you can apply to the open offers.
– Bino
1 hour ago
@ChatterOne, i don't know but i changed just in case. Thank you
– Bino
1 hour ago
@Bino Very well, I have added an answer based on your comment. You mind to edit the question and add this info about availability of a public site for job applicant a part of the question itself?
– Sourav Ghosh
1 hour ago